HP

It probably still depends on how the global governance system is set up and what it allows for. I know nothing at all about the subject of education, but take gender inequality, for instance; the United Nations monitors every country. Governments have to prepare their reports, Turkey included. So does it change anything? According to the World Economic Forum’s 2016 Global Gender Gap report, we’re 130th in a list of 144 countries[3]. Has writing the report improved our position? No. I think it’s the lack of enforcement.

3. The Global Gender Gap Report 2016, http://reports.weforum.org/global-gender-gap-report-2016/?doing_wp_cron=1520258229.4093179702758789062500
FA

Ultimately, what matters is the willingness and determination of states. There’s no way that a government that says, “We must take major steps here,” doesn’t know what to do, whether it be targeting highly polluting technologies, developing green industries, or focusing more on these issues through education. Countries that are taking steps have incorporated lessons on ecology in primary and even nursery school. Teach this to young children, and they behave differently when they grow up. That’s nothing new. It’s not too hard to figure out what to teach either. Take a plastic bag – how long it’s going to stay in the sea when you throw it there, what sort of damage it will cause – all this can be beautifully explained to three- to five-year-olds with films and animations. After that, the child won’t throw a plastic bag away. I heard the other day that a company that sells sporting and camping equipment in Turkey had stopped giving out plastic bags as a step toward a solution. Someone pulled a gun on the cashier for denying them a bag! We live in a country where people can interpret their perceived consumer “rights” as a matter of personal honor. But we have good examples, too. For instance, ENKA schools teach ecology. Our Boğaziçi University students cover these subjects in their summer and winter programs for seven- to eleven-year-olds. The results are quite encouraging.

HP

Children are quite receptive anyway.

FA

We need to raise our standards in general. Here’s a striking example: Pupils are told to bring X number of batteries to school to encourage waste separation. Their parents then go and swipe used batteries from collection boxes at MIGROS supermarkets for their kids to take to school. That’s where we are, I’m afraid. Governments need to adopt a much more determined, long-term approach.

BE

Shall we touch on Turkey’s position a little? According to the latest news, Turkey’s sustainable energy performance and investments are generally considered to be positive. At the very least, there is data that suggests Turkey ranks above average. On the other hand, Turkey continues to build coal-fired power plants. How compliant with the Paris Agreement is our energy policy? Are we likely to face problems meeting those commitments? What are your views?

FA

I’d like to stress two points. Unless radical improvements are made in cutting waste in power generation and unless this obsession with coal-fired power plants is dropped – and the two are interlinked – our commitments are going to be very, very hard to meet.

HP

And the commitment that Turkey expressed as an intention with regard to the Paris Agreement is this: Without doing anything special – business as usual, in other words – Turkey would achieve a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions of 21 percent by 2030. That’s the commitment. But here’s the problem. This analysis was based on a growth rate of 7 percent. When the Paris Agreement was signed, Turkey’s short-term growth rate was around 3 percent. The official Ministry of Development figures for Turkey’s medium to long-term growth rate are 5 to 5.5 percent; World Bank data suggest 3.5 percent, if I remember correctly. Today our growth rate is around 7 percent, but who knows how long it can be maintained. If growth drops to an average of 5 to 5.5 percent in the medium to long term, Turkey will have achieved a reduction of 21 percent without doing much.

BE

Based on 7 percent growth.

HP

Yes, based on 7 percent, but that was the commitment. Which naturally didn’t go down too well because Turkey’s also asking for finance from the Green Climate Fund. So now we seem to be asking for money without doing anything. Yes, that’s the commitment, but as Professor Adaman says, Turkey can't reduce emissions with its current energy policy. Perhaps policy will fall in line with the commitment now that growth is back up to 7 percent, as Turkey will be expected to meet its reduction commitment.

BE

The information I just mentioned is based on a news item that said something along these lines: According to the World Bank’s first Regulatory Indicators for Sustainable Energy report, published in 2017, Turkey ranks above the global average in renewable energy. Thanks to its geographic location, potential in wind and solar power generation systems, and efforts in these fields, Turkey has raised its ranking. It’s now 23rd among 111 countries in sustainable energy. Last year’s accomplishments in creating greater access to power across the land, and in renewable energy and energy efficiency, have contributed to this global ranking.